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Begbies Traynor appointed to administer Capital
Insolvency practitioner Begbies Traynor has been appointed as administrator for the London print company.
Further detail was not available. PrintWeek contacted Begbies but was told: "The people dealing with the case are on site all day today."
The trading status of Docklands-based large format printer Capital was unclear on Thursday afternoon amid unconfirmed reports that its factory's doors had closed.
PrintWeek was contacted by several members of staff, who claimed they were informed that the company went into administration that afternoon.
It is understood that staff at the site were told to leave the premises at around 3pm this afternoon. Sources close to the company have also claimed that staff had been forced to take paid holiday at different times during the past three weeks.
Phones at Capital's Beckton site are not being answered and managing director David Gill has been unavailable on his personal phone.
Customers and suppliers to the company have also been in contact to say that the company has ceased trading.
Staff reported to PrintWeek that they have not been paid wages, due to be paid today (Friday 27 June). One employee said: We were told that the bank had pulled the rug on the company and they were working to pay us.
He added that some staff had taken equipment, including computers and a television, from the site.
It is unclear whether the factory will re-open, although there have been suggestions that three companies are interested in buying the site.
Rival companies may be interested in picking up the factory, which is only around two years old and was built after Capital was forced from its old site in Stratford, east London, to make way for London's 2012 Olympic Park.
The plant was also the first in the world to run two KBA 205 large-format presses.
According to the 2007 PrintWeek Top 500, Capital was the 167th biggest company in UK print. It had a turnover last year of just under £12m and employed around 90 staff.
Check printweek.com for updates as they happen.
Capital: trading status unclear
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Comments
Rik Moranis - 26 June 2008
You forgot to mention that despite being re-assured that we would get paid and being giving pay slips this morning everybody lefts without wages today. There was also a guest appearance from the industrys favourite man.... Mr Bunyard.
Jack Sheperd - 26 June 2008
Does that offer include M.Bunyard?
A redundant employee !!!! - 26 June 2008
Bunyard was appointed a director of Capital a few months ago, but hastily resigned when Printweek exposed him - I suppose the writing was on the wall then. He was then seen within the company in the past week or two, including today. Enough said.
The official line is that the bank has pulled the plug and that they wanted their money, leaving nothing to pay the employees. I am sure Barclays Bank would not like to be linked with taking the food off of the table of 150 employees and their families.
And this is after we were assured 110% that the money was there to cover the salaries.
I hope the Gills are enjoying this, with all the money (and we are talking millions of pounds here) that has been paid to them by the LDA - where has all that gone? The Olympic dream is rapidly turning in to a nightmare.
anon anon - 26 June 2008
When every member of the family who owns the business tells so many lies, even to their senior management team, it was always hard to forsee what was happening. Every day the story was totally different to the previous day. Every customer, supplier and member of staff has been treated appallingly, and with total disregard. For them to extract every penny over the last 3 months and let all staff believe that wages were going to be paid in full, giving their personal guarantees that this would be the case, and to then declare there is no money available is a disgrace.
Rik Moranis - 26 June 2008
That LDA money is long gone sunning itself in one of the Gills offshore accounts, I wonder if Bunyard got paid for his services this month!
A redundant employee !!!! - 26 June 2008
Well said Anon, but where does the LDA stand on this? Millions of pounds have been literally wasted, which was meant to keep all the staff employed, and the only winners are the Gills and our good friend Myles.
Beware all of you not yet affected by Mr Bunyard, he is the Grim reaper of the print trade.
To all employees, keep an eye on this site, as we need to find out who to contact about our money.
Andy Collier - 26 June 2008
Todays events are just begining to sink in. Looking back now its becoming clear to me just how long the crooked Gill family (P & A excused) have been carefully planning this grand deceipt. The cynical treatment of people that have given loyal service to this family for many years is beyond belief. Right to the last they had some of our finest frantically phoning clients asking for payments so that they could "pacify the bank" & "pay the wages" when all they were really doing was looking to grab that little bit more for themselves.
To anyone I didnt get a chance to say my goodbyes to. May you come back stronger & better for this experience.
What goes around............
Rik Moranis - 26 June 2008
I will call the LDA tomorrow see what I can find out worth a try,
The problem is you dont know you have been stung by bunyard until its too late ask the ex employees of all the other firms he has torn to shreads I thought the Gills were better than that how wrong can you be!! Like redundant employee says just keep an eye on this site for updates. top marks to printweek for allowing us to voice our opinion and keep in touch. good luck everyone
Clive Upshall - 27 June 2008
Being an ex employee of Butler & Tanners I know exactly what you are all going through -
Mark Hutton - 27 June 2008
You have my every sympathy - this sounds so familiar to us ex-B&T enployees. The next thing you find out is that the system favours the employer.
Be prepared for a long wait for the money you are owed, which will be capped by the way. Try to share information with each other as you negotiate the claims procedure as you will all face similar problems.
Best wishes and good luck.
martin lehane - 27 June 2008
lets hope all those employed,find jobs and can put this behind them.
rudolpho spena - 27 June 2008
where do we start
kba topdog kba topdog - 27 June 2008
good luck to all those involved.....i went thru it with butler and tanner and it aint pretty....The redundancy money took around 8 weeks to arrive so best of luck.
Noshi Masued - 27 June 2008
Noshi
I just want to wish everyone at Capital the very best of luck, hoping they come through this. Andy, Kevin and Shaun I hope things work out for you.
Jack Sheperd - 27 June 2008
Myles Bunyard is a struck off director and a declared bankrupt! the staff should report his dealing in the company to the DTI and the serious fraud squad. This is the only way now of stoping this man.
I know this won't help the Capital employees but you may be at another print firm where he turns up.
steven fisher - 27 June 2008
Has a IP been appointed has yet ?
Rik Moranis - 27 June 2008
who knows steven all we were told was that the bank had frozen there account so they could not pay us and that they would do everything they can to get us our money but surprise surprise nothing received today. I remember reading about the staff at B&T and and then bugger me 6 weeks later im in the same boat I keep thinking im going to wake up in a minute and its all been a bad dream. I know the Gills are regular visitors to this site would be nice to hear something from them I wont hold my breath though!!
andy hay - 27 June 2008
I have tried for the last 4 months to remove Bunyard from the trade and nobody is taking me seriously.Now perhaps you will listen Capital has ceased trading it is not in administration if it were then the factory would be open whilst the Administrators do there bit somebody and the staff are the besr option has to put it into admin/receivership next week to at least get your government wages.Rest assured you will get nothing from the Gill's.I have an IP who will act for the "staff" and I may be able to get his fee's defered or at least underwritten by a contact of mine.ACT FAST CALL ME andy.hay@hotmail.com or 07919836081
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
"I may be able to get his fee's defered"
We are all skint & wondering how we are going to keep roofs above our heads & someone comes on here talking about "fees".
Any ex Capital staff, do not enter into any agreement to pay ANYBODY to chase down your money. Contact the citizens advice bureau & let them take the issue up for you FREE OF CHARGE.
A lot of people have desires to see something done about this Bunyard fella and will try to hop on the bandwagon of our anger but concentrate on getting whats owed to you first before he & the Gills get whats coming to them
Former Employee - 27 June 2008
Oh what I would really like to say about the Gills.... Anyway the LDA need to know what has happened at Capital, surely they would not have handed over all those millions had they known David and Rav Gill were planning on pocketing the cash and running!! This money was for the business, not for more property in Dubai.
Me and a hundred others want to know what the LDA think of this?? It cannot be left.
All employees have to take this further, the Olympic Dream was to create jobs and help businesses prosper. Well it has cost me mine!!
rudolpho spena - 27 June 2008
how do we start claiming redundancy?
PrintCoBoss - 27 June 2008
I think there are going to be a large number of high profile print business failures over the coming year. Red tape is costing more and more but customers want to buy print for less and less. The government and the unions have to take a lot of the blame for these failures as when things get tough they offer business owners / managers NO support at all and the unions see financial weakness as a crack in the armour and try and capitalise on it by increasing demands and making veiled threats that they know will finish a company off if they are ignored. Print Company Bosses across the UK are between a rock and a hard place. Generally they do not want to lose their businesses, income and often their homes any more than employees do. At least when a company ceases to trade an employees liability is limited to unpaid wages. A Print Company Boss' liability can run into millions of pounds.
PrintCoBoss - 27 June 2008
anon, what you say does not surprise me. Sadly there are a lot of unscrupulous business owners out there. The industry would be a lot better off without them for two reasons - firstly they treat their staff like shit and secondly they make it twice as hard for the genuine business owners who need the support and trust of their staff to get through difficult times. Please don't tar all business owners with the same brush.
Harry Taylor - 27 June 2008
Firstly, I am very sorry for the staff at Capital Print. I know they are good people who worked long hours under very demanding pressures. This situation was predicted over twelve months ago and not wanting to libel myself, what happened to all the LDA money is it as some on here have already eluded too.
What now for Capital will it phoenix from the ashes and will their suppliers support it, if not I'm guessing all the equipment will be sold and no more Capital Print. A very sad day not just for Capital but the whole printing community.
The big problem is that where all us print companies are competing with each other the margins get so squeezed that companies will go bust and everyone else has to maintain these crazy prices.
Good luck all the guys and girls at CPD hope you get your money and to everyone else if you see Myles Bunyard in your reception take out some sort of redundancy insurance policy.
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
Rudy
I have spoken to some of our people who were at the firm today. Apparently an administrator has been appointed & we will be sent notification. More details will be posted on here later.
rudolpho spena - 27 June 2008
andy who was there today?any news from rav ,surely he should pay his staff when receives money from dla
Former Employee - 27 June 2008
They will not get the LDA money now they are in administration. The LDA only had 800k left to pay which is not enough to cover the bank charges and the salaries. There is no chance of any of us receiving any money from the Gills, give up on that hope and make your claim with the government for statutory payouts.
Daniel Bennett - 27 June 2008
Ok so the LDA only had 800k left to pay but what about the money that they have already had? and the brand new building ? as on friday David Gill was walking around capital with one big smile on his and even had the cheak to tell me that we had just won a 200k bodyshop campain and that there was nothing to be conserned about Liar Liar springs to mind........
Sarah Fox - 27 June 2008
It makes me cringe that Man has yet again been able to do this! I am sorry to say that Myles Bunyard would of helped do this to you all at Capital, the assets would probably have been moved into another Company name over the last few weeks, so there is no Company to claim from.
Former Employee - 27 June 2008
The Gill family own the brand new building, Capital Print was paying rent to the Gill family. As such the building is safe and cannot be claimed against as part of CPD. Any new tenant will be lining the pockets of David Gill even more! As for the rest of the LDA money, a large percentage of it appears to already have been received and you can draw your own conclusions about where that is. It's certainly not being used to keep Capital Print alive. Or for that matter, to pay the wages owed to the staff!
Peter Gourri - 27 June 2008
In terms of how to make a claim, you may find the attached link helpful.
http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/redundancyandinsolvency/howdoiclaim.htm
The usual way in which things happen is that the administrator will write to you with the forms you need to make your claim etc.
The administrator is likely to have been appointed by the bank but this is not always the case. they will then investigate the position with the company in terms of monies etc. and if they find wrong doing can take further action in certain circumstances.
My advice would be to keep on at the administrator for information as you as an unpaid employee are a creditor of the company.
Also get whatever claims you need to get in quickly to avoid any delays.
Good luck to you all.
Julie Cook - 27 June 2008
I'm gutted another print firm has gone to the wall. So many valid comments from the members of printweek, yet it seems to happen on an almost daily basis. Something must be done within the print trade to combat this sort of behaviour. Obviously the banks or government don't care but what about the paper merchants surely they can regulate the industry, i.e. 'don't give more than 60days credit - even if it's insured' This will help in a small way with the crooks in the trade.
Peter Gourri - 27 June 2008
Begbies Traynor
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London
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Tel: 020 7398 3800
Fax: 020 7398 3799
Email: london@begbies-traynor.com
Peter Gourri - 27 June 2008
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andy hay - 27 June 2008
Beware who the administrator sells it on to because he/she will be in control of your destiny that is why prior to the name being released I was trying to help you all. Lets hope and pray the purchaser is not MB because if it is and he retains you you have to accept or you have made yourself unavailable for work.BE careful
Rik Moranis - 27 June 2008
Former employee is right forget trying to get anything from the Gills just concentrate on getting your claim in and getting another job i have spoken to a number of print based agencies who have alot to offer so hopefully we can all get sorted its painful and I know everybody is angry and wants a straight answer to how? what? and when? but we never got one when we worked there so the chances of getting one now are slim but like Andy says we will all become stronger and wiser from it and help each other out with info on here. I heard there was a gathering at capital today anyone have any info on what went on?
andy hay - 27 June 2008
who is still working at the factory?the administrator will need several bodies to unravel th affairs of the company the size of Capital,or is it as i guess a deal done and it will open next week as Newco ltd.
A redundant employee !!!! - 27 June 2008
Ok, here are the facts we were told by the administrator today outside the factory. The administrators will be sending out letters today (latest Monday) confirming the situation. This will also include how to claim your money (RP1 form)- Wages, redundancy, holiday pay etc. I have also been told that staff are to contact the finance dept at Capital on Monday to get details of holiday left, length of service etc, so that they can then get the correct details on the RP1 form
Moving on to the Gills & Bunyard. I have it on good authority that bunyard has helped the Gills get all the money out and in to other accounts (probably offshore) and that Bunyard will earn 20% of all monies moved. I hope the Police get involved & the Gills & Bunyard go down for this - I would give a months salary to see that happen!
A representative from the LDA also appeared at the factory this morning, and they are concerned that they are going to get really bad press over this - I think we should do just that.
A redundant employee !!!! - 27 June 2008
[edited because of breach of forum policy] You need to concentrate on claiming your money back through the government
Good luck in finding a job mate, and I look forward to the day Italy beat us at rugby
David Gill,s Ear Hair - 27 June 2008
Edited - contravenes forum policy
mike bevan - 27 June 2008
im so sorry to hear about the stunt the gills have pulled on you all, ive seen some of it myself.
good luck to you all.
D anon - 27 June 2008
Disgusting !, Disgusted !!, Despicable behavior from the Gill LIAR family. Don't anybody hold their breath if they think this bunch of B*******s actually gave a shit about any of us with their false assurances about being paid. I have it on good authority that a company was set up in 2005 and that it remained dormant until March 2008 when there was a change of directors. Rav became a director of GDP Europe, with its registered offices in W1, same office as the now defunct CPD ?
Perhaps this company has the bank account where all the LDA money went to and then probably off-shore? Come on Fraud Squad & LDA, sort it out.
My colleagues, please keep in touch thru this site and lets help each other thru shared information. Good luck to all in obtaining monies due and employment.
andy hay - 27 June 2008
Get the fraud squad in and apply for a joint administrator put in by the crediters and stop the movement of money. If the money can be returned to Capital there will be ample to pay for Administrator
Andy Janes - 27 June 2008
Andy why don't you keep out of it, barclays will appoint a IP and thats a fact
Rik Moranis - 27 June 2008
okay done abit of googleing and for what it is worth have found that GDP Europe has been around since the end of 2005 has been dormant pretty much with a couple of address changes the latest one being on the 5th of June 2008 also on the 5th was a new director appointed called Rav Gill got all the info from make of it what you will http://bizzy.info/uk/companies/gdp_europe_ltd/co_no/05642842/
I hope they can bring these fraudsters to justice
Rik Moranis - 27 June 2008
Andy Janes why dont YOU keep out of it your nothing to do with the situation at hand Andy Hay is just offering advice if you havent got any to give to us then dont bother posting
Andy Janes - 27 June 2008
Im sure that myles bunyard has nothing to do with cpd shutting down, andy hay is a very bitter man and his advise is so out of date its not worth anything.
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
Well done & thanks to redundant employee & anyone else that returned to the site today to gather information and then report back on this site. People are now much more aware thanks to you guys.
I hear you had a good day out despite the circumstances :)
Mandy Webb - 27 June 2008
Shout out to all my Capital colleagues,
I hope your job searches are going well and the finances are being resolved.
If anyone has any information that would or could be useful to the LDA or Serious Fraud Squad please let me know alternatively the representative from the LDA is Lorraine Joseph and you can contact her on 0203 759 3000, she's working on the investigation. Might be an idea to contact the local Beckton (Newham) MP and perhaps take this story to a national newspaper.
Mr Gill and Mr Bunyard have seriously under estimated the power of 'many' and they both WILL get the full force of the law, I am in no doubt.
Big thank you to PW for allowing the postings, may these continue so we can all be kept informed.
All the best and see you all soon.
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
AJ
If you think bunyard had nothing to do with this then you are on the wrong thread. Read the posts from the people that are ITK. If you worked at Capital in the last 3 months your opinion might count but you didnt did you?
Now go away & take your fishing rod with you
You have been sussed mate
Rik Moranis - 27 June 2008
Hi Mandy good to hear from you have spoken to a reporter at a well known red top newspaper today and emailed our story on to him he said he would do some digging for me he didnt promise anything but he was disgusted at what I told him and will get back to me soonhopefully if we can get these a**eholes recognised nationally somebody in government might sit up
Andy Janes - 27 June 2008
All of you are very quick to blame myles and david, if the bank pulled the plug how can that be down to them.
all the staff have always been paid on time and had good packages but in todays world it can't last
A redundant employee !!!! - 27 June 2008
Well done Mandy - good information.
AJ
Bunyard has everything to do with this. I know, because a) I worked there b) Rav told me on Tuesday he was still advising them & c) he was in the building yesterday afternoon hiding in one of the back offices. When he was discovered by one of my colleagues, he bolted, leaving David to carry the can.So, let those that have something valuable to say that could help their colleagues do it without stupid and ill-informed remarks like yours to distract them.
Rik Moranis - 27 June 2008
Looking back at previous posts on different subjects on this site Andy Janes when ever somebody has something negative to say about Bunyard you turn up and defend him I saw bunyard myself leave CPD on thursday afternoon he was involved FACT and because you only get Bunyrad involved in your company if you want strip the arse out of it and still be well off at the end then FACT the Gills are also to blame so like you have been previously told unless you something positive to say or have any information which can help anyone at CPD then keep it to yourself Myles sorry i mean Andy!!!!!
Andy Janes - 27 June 2008
myles did not call the shots, david has been in business for many years and knows his stuff , why would he want myles ??????????????????????????????????
Rik Moranis - 27 June 2008
Andy who are you and how do you know David how do you know that the staff have always been paid on time and had good packages?????? Its obvious who you are so why dont you ring one of the gills and get them to come on here and give us some real answers we know there watching
Former Employee - 27 June 2008
[edited because of breach of forum policy]
andy hay - 27 June 2008
Be big enough Mr. Andy Janes to e mail me or phone me better still.I too think you are acting for Bunyard if not him himself.Read my comments on MGP bought out of Admin and tell me if you still want to lay down with dogs and come up with fleas,assuming you are not the dog in question.......................To the rest of the staff, I offer an expierianced helping hand, take it or spit on it it is there, in these situations you can't have enough help.Crediters(of which you are ) can make alot of noise if you all band together
Andy Janes - 27 June 2008
businesses go down every day, why is everybody kicking up so much ? now a IP has been appointed everybody will get paid.
Wow you have myles address, say hello when you go round
vince focker - 27 June 2008
Yes andy janes i mean RAV!!!!!!!!
Former Employee - 27 June 2008
People are kicking up so much because they were supposed to get paid today and haven't. So their wives and children have nothing to live on for the next month, and thereafter until a new salary comes in. Yes, we might get some of our money back but it won't be all, it will take a couple of months and it won't be without a load of aggro.
You seem to like him so much, I'm surprised you haven't been invited round for tea?
Now go away if you're not going to be helpful. This is a forum for people of CPD looking to help each other, not for people who are trying to jump in to defend a situation they supposedly know nothing about. Unless you're Myles? Or maybe even Rav? I know you're not David as he doesn't know how to use the internet.
A redundant employee !!!! - 27 June 2008
FE - glad you reminded about that, at least we all made the righ decision in that case.
Moving on, I hope we all remember the ultimate goal for getting this money out of Capital. David & Rav are looking to go in to property development, flats are to be built on the old screen building in Cooks road and at the site in Havering (not sure of address but am sure someone will know). This enterprise will offer them many more millions in the bank, and partly financed by CPD employees not getting their wages.
vince focker - 27 June 2008
julle focken gills jou ma se pink poes
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
Hi Mandy
Good work in getting the LDA contact details. There were a lot of clever & driven people working at Capital as this thread shows.
Confidence is growing in me that the Gills & Bunyard AKA Andy Janes are gonna get theirs. Hopefully I will still have a home to celebrate in when the time comes.
Andy Janes - 27 June 2008
I do wish all the staff the very best at cpd but I just don't think its all down to david or myles, if the bank has withdrawn there support then its out of there hands, do you who appointed the IP, was it david gill or the bank ?
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
Andy Janes Wrote:
I do wish all the staff the very best at cpd but I just don't think its all down to david or myles, if the bank has withdrawn there support then its out of there hands, do you who appointed the IP, was it david gill or the bank ?
You should know the answer to that Andy
Or are you just an insignificant little twat who spends his friday nights wallowing in other peoples misery?
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
Ear Hair
I know you are upset as we all are but try to keep calm with the postings. We need to keep this thread running for the purpose of information which we can use in our case. We dont need print week closing it down due to abusive text.
AJ
Please FO now. These people are angry enough as it is without your stirring. You need to know that we have people in our group that can trace IP addresses through postings (that would give away the address where the computer that you are sitting at resides) so dont think that you are totally anon because you are so not
Rik Moranis - 27 June 2008
He is a nobody AC he either works for bunyard or is him would have liked to have seen him reel off some of these comments to the people outside cpd today gutless p***k
vince focker - 27 June 2008
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A redundant employee !!!! - 27 June 2008
Yes, come on guys, we are all extremely angry, but lets keep this sensible & constructive. This is the only way we can all communicate together.
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
Thanks Vince
Anyone got the addresses?
vince focker - 27 June 2008
thats sir vince to you andy c
Lee Smith - 27 June 2008
Chaps, Just wanted to post to wish you all the best, the team there have been fantastic right up to the last minute and have shown customer service beyond the extreme, I'm sure the vast majority will find employment very soon as the trade need these type of people in it. As for the Gill's I think a lot has already been said on here and people will draw their own conclusions - David and Rav, you have let a lot of people down - but these people will bounce back stronger than you will be prepared for.
G / K / M / D / R / DS / O - and anyone else thats worked with me /us - keep in touch - please!
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
thats sir vine to you andy c
Does anyone remember a letter going round before we moved about a loyalty payment to any member of staff that stayed with the company til December 2008? Just putting 2&2 together here, did they decide that long ago to begin winding up and wanted a way of keeping people on board until the time was right. I'm sure there must have been some people that would have thought of leaving given the decline of the business but were induced to hang on by the nice xmas bonus promised this year.
Princess Jobless - 27 June 2008
Good evening all, its Princess Jobless!!!!!!
Rik Moranis - 27 June 2008
good evening princess
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
Good to see you on here Lee giving credit where it is due. During all the mayhem on thursday (it was like the fall of Baghdad at the time) people close to you forgot their own worries to make sure that your stuff was loaded & away before the dogs arrived.
Princess Jobless - 27 June 2008
Hello all, good to see everyones found everyone on this page... Hello Anon Anon, & A redundant employee,,,,,,, and a big HI TO SISTER
D anon - 27 June 2008
[edited because of breach of forum policy] not sure bout RG, dont bother trying the phones they're not working. Think DG got new phone earlier in the week
Lee thanks for your comments. Everybody else please keep it calm.
AJ or MB or RG ? who the hell are you? why don't you just do one!
Princess Jobless - 27 June 2008
Hello Slaphead
Princess Jobless - 27 June 2008
Shall we go round for a barbecue on sunday, at westrow!!! i know who i'd like to put on the skewer!!!
David Gill,s Ear Hair - 27 June 2008
http://_capital_print.talkboards.net
A forum to really let rip!!
D anon - 27 June 2008
Ello Princess, sounds like a bloody good idea, as fight club has been moved to another date.
Princess Jobless - 27 June 2008
Hello Andy c... hope you are ok, thanks for the info.
Its such a shame the way they treated everyone, including the loyal staff that were with Capital for a very long time. Now i know why i was really pressured to get ALL that money in. ( debt collecting) and look at the pay back they have given... Thanks
vince focker - 27 June 2008
Princess, Jobless what you got to say you where dating a gill shame on you
Mandy Webb - 27 June 2008
i'm off to bedfordshire now so good night chaps and i'll be back! x
Princess Jobless - 27 June 2008
Princess is now off to bed, as the last 24hrs have given her bags....
Andy Collier - 27 June 2008
Hiya Princess
Welcome to the party. May I suggest that we all retire to Ear Hairs forum where we can feel free to vent our love for the Gills.
Leaving this one open for information only (PW would approve I think)
BTW has anyone heard from the accounts staff? Those poor buggers were still living the dream when I left on Thursday. Wouldnt print me a client list in case they "got in trouble"
Princess Jobless - 27 June 2008
Wrong information.....
D anon - 27 June 2008
They are being paid by the adminstrators to sort things out next week.
Andy Collier - 28 June 2008
I should have been an accountant
Andy Collier - 28 June 2008
Anyone registered on the new site yet? I am still waiting for confirmation email to arrive
FOR GODS SAKE
D anon - 28 June 2008
Andy i will speak to you in the morning
Janes Jones - 28 June 2008
First of all, I remember an unsucessful MBO with a fat man with Fred Elliott looks a while ago that broke my heart and prompted my exit from Capital. Fortunately, Every Little Helps and I'm very happy now, but I am truly, deeply sorry for you all.
To, A Redundant Employee !!!!
Going back through my archives, there was an extension built to the screen unit at Cooks Road where a better man than Gill lost his life (H), that found a lot of of dodgy land. Not sure of the details but the old fridge is built on some very undesirable soil, lots of work needed to make it right to build on. I wouldn't want to buy a flat there put it that way!!
Dan Times - 28 June 2008
Im sorry to hear of your problems
On a positive note I represent a few POS/Large Format Printing Companies who are looking for staff in sales and production.
Please do not hesitate to contact me via email,my email is c221@hotmail.co.uk
Regards
MRS GILL - 28 June 2008
If any of you actually put in half of this effort into your work, you might not have been in this position.
Half of you actually sound quiet intelligent, its a shame that none of you could work out that a company working at 40% down on turnover, month on month for the last few months. Would ineviatbly yend in problems.
Maybe you were aware, however was not confident to get jobs eleswhere.
I have just seen Gill brothers, and me and the boys can not believe how half of these people in the forum, have contacted them and offered there help in return for monies??????????????????????
BE CAREFUL WHO YOU TRUST
Goodluck in finding a new job.
Andy Collier - 28 June 2008
There now appears to be 2 anon anon (s) on this site = very confusing
Mrs Gill
Has it occured to you that these seemingly intelligent people were well aware of the difficulties that the trade in general is experiencing but choose to stay out of loyalty to what was their company rather than bolt for the nearest (safe?) haven. It was ultimately those with the longest service that suffered the most in the end. These were people that deserved to be told the truth, not a pack of lies by imbecile directors that made bad decisions (2x KBA?) & poor appointments whilst allowing the departure of many key sales staff.
Glad we dont all live by your ideals
andy hay - 28 June 2008
Judging by his diction Andy Janes is Myles Bunyard or his mouthpiece.Just be carefall all of you.........................The comment he made"now an IP has been appointed everybody will get paid" is word for word what he said in2002.
Remember also when he go's off the site he will become another name
Rik Moranis - 28 June 2008
Changed my Anon anon status for you ac.
Mrs Gill I appreciate you having more balls than the Mr Gills of this world to come on here and say your piece however like AC has said maybe things could have been different if the staff were told exactly what was happening the fact still remains that we were all victims of you, your family and Bunyards little plan. Maybe some people have been in contact with you offering help for money but do you blame them i dont, your the only people that left Capital with money in the bank and the majority of us are financially desperate but thanks to the LDA and our wages you have no idea what that feels like
Mark Hutton - 28 June 2008
The postings on this site very much reflect the anger that existed in the days after B&T's demise. My advice is to not get wound up too much by inflammatory comments from people you don't know or who are using assumed names.
The first thing to do is keep in touch. If you have some good I.T. guys get them to set up a communication website for you (don't allow people on there with aliases or nicknames).
Meet up once a week at a local pub or sports club to share info on form filling and possible jobs ect.
You will get a booklet with advice on redundancy which contains the RP1 form. This will ask you what you are owed (wages, holiday pay etc) and determine your length of service.
There is a ready reckoner which allows you to work out your redundancy pay from your age and length of service.
Any wages you are owed are capped at £330 per week.
You may be entitled to pay in lieu of notice, up to twelve weeks depending on service, this is also capped at £330.
If you are signing on you will recieve contribution based Jobseekers allowance of £65.
At the end of your lieu of notice period this and any money you make if you gain employment need to be disclosed and are then subtracted from your "lieu of notice" cash (RP2 form).
Within three weeks of sending in your RP1 you should get an RP5 to show your claim is being processed then payments should appear within three weeks (in my case it happened within days).
Depending on circumstances and number of employees you might also be able to sue for lack of consultation. If a collective redundancy situation occurs (more than twenty employees) you should have had 30 to 90 days notice - so get some advice.
In a large scale redundancy situation there are often grants for retraining available so enquire into that.
Finally use the Citizen's Advice Bureau for advice on tax credits, council tax help and debt management.
Hope this is of some assistance.
Rik Moranis - 28 June 2008
Mark now thats what I call advice
MRS GILL - 28 June 2008
I think everybody should stop wasting there time posting negative comments on this forum, and concentrate on the advise given by Mark Hutton(Thanks for that Mark).
Visual Display? - 28 June 2008
OK Guys, lets ask ourselves who is Visual Display?
A redundant employee !!!! - 28 June 2008
Why doesn't mrs Gill keep out of this with her oh so intelligent comments. She is obviously proud to be associated with a bunch of thieving, scheming liars, with no ounce of decency amongst them, At least the employees can leave with their head held high, knowing that they haven't stooped as low as you.
And before you come back with any clever comment about computers & tv's going missing, I am sure that every single one of the people involved in this would give them back in exchange for receiving what is legally theirs - their wages.
VD - what an unfortunate name!
I wouldn't worry yourself about it, it is probably some form of smoke screen dreamt up by the intelligent Gills
A Mac Operator - 28 June 2008
Morning all.
A redundant employee !!!! - 28 June 2008
Morning, how are you fairing?
Rik Moranis - 28 June 2008
morning Mac
A Mac Operator - 28 June 2008
Trying to keep smiling.
not really sure who's who on hear but it's good to hear from you all.
How are you guys?
Has anyone had any luck with that forum in the previous post?
Rik Moranis - 28 June 2008
i registered with it but the password isnt working
A redundant employee !!!! - 28 June 2008
No, have got on there but cant seem to find any threads
Rik Moranis - 28 June 2008
has anyone got anything lined up for next week?
David Gill,s Ear Hair - 28 June 2008
Sorry guys that board didnt work.
This is the new one. Lets let rip!
http://capitalprint.proboards83.com
Andy Collier - 28 June 2008
Morning all
Would normally look forward to a nice weekend like this but just cant get excited about this one
Andy Janes - 28 June 2008
Now its my last post, Good luck to everybody
Andy Collier - 28 June 2008
Dont bite folks
D anon - 28 June 2008
Morning all been up since 6am couldn't sleep, too used to getting up and loyally going to work!
Mark H, thanks for the constructive advice. I think we should set up a site, Perch you out there? Help!!!!!
Mrs Gill or is it Rav hiding behind a skirt? Please don't try and justify the Gills dishonesty & wrongdoing because if the business was down by 40% month on then how come cpd didn't lower margins to win the work ?
because we all know of the hidden profits within each cost centre !
So we are in trouble because of your greed NOT because of a lack of effort from any employee, new or old !
TheVestedOne Smith - 28 June 2008
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Thanks to all you guys on here for the information...Mandy I'm glad that number and contact name proved useful and you were able to find out some info from them.
A redundant employee !!!! - 28 June 2008
I am absolutely gutted that we have ended like this. Capital, for its faults was a good place to work, the staff were great and everybody helped out. Only in the past year or so, have things changed, with Rav wearing everybody down by taking away their money, reducing costs and generally losing the goodwill of people. Now I know the arguments for all the things he has done, and I agree that measures needed to be put in place - but it is HOW you do this that marks you out as a true manager & leader, and which then will get the backing of your staff.
To rip everyone off like he has is really getting to me, because of all the people to recognise what he was doing, I should have seen it. Sitting next to him day after day, spouting on about the way staff at Butler & Tanner had been treated (the same as we have) sowed the seed for him to do the same.
Arrogant, thieving idiots who think they are above the law, and everybody else - they will get whats coming to them, legally & by the book.
Andy Collier - 28 June 2008
A colleague asked to put this comment on this site. Just another example of the pain & suffering that all of our families are going thru at the moment. Hope you are all receiving support like this from your families
Mac Room Wife
Mrs Gill
Like many my husband has been a loyal and hard working member of your staff for a number of years ,even turning down positions with two of your main competitors. So the fact that you have the audacity to question his ability or his loyalty speaks volumes about the type of person/family you are.
The people on this sight are angry! They are angry because they were made redundant a day before they were due to get paid, after weeks of lies and promises. I know you can't possibly comprehend what it is like not knowing how on earth you are going to pay your mortgage or provide for your family but I can assure you that it is not nice and many tears have been shed.
Maybe if the Gills had shown even an ounce of humility and had treated the staff with the respect and honesty they deserved then you wouldn't be encountering such repercussions.
Unless anyone from the Gill family has an apology or better still information that will help us then I would suggest that you keep your patronising and detrimental 'pearls of wisdom' to yourself.
My only hope is that the newest generation of the Gill family are not being raised with such despicable and deceitful morals.
TheVestedOne Smith - 28 June 2008
Someone mentioned that David Gill has a property development project going on in Havering...that is in Noake Hill, Havering...I'll post the exact whereabouts when I have it.
O and in case anyone is interested here's the details for Realisis ....those who live nearish Heathrow might want to call in case they have anything for you..
Realisis tsg
Heathrow Summit Centre
Skyport Drive
West Drayton
Middlesex
UB7 0LJ
Tel: 020 8476 3000
www.realisis.co,uk
Rik Moranis - 28 June 2008
Contact at Realisis is Phil Eames
anon anon - 28 June 2008
Good afternoon all. Excellent to see everyone posting comments that are helpful to other redundant Capital employees as well as some humour to keep us all going through these hard times. We can't get away from the fact that we have all been shafted by the Gill's, but we can move onwards and hopefully upwards. David only had a succesful business in the first place because of the people working for him and not because of his personal knowledge or "brilliant" sons. As it happens the latter has brought this company to it's knees in record time. I am sure with better, honest, experienced people at the helm, this company would have been a terrific success for many years to come. Just like to add how much I enjoyed working with every single one of you over the last 5 years or so, it has been a pleasure and I would do it all over again. M.S (Slappy)
Phil Reynolds - 28 June 2008
Sorry to hear of yet another print company going down,As an ex Quebecor world employee I am one of five people on the creditors committee.This means we as committee members have to be informed by the administration what is happening to the funds being raised and were they are going.As myself and other employees are owed pension holls etc.So my advice is to get the liquidator to set up a creditors committee with a ex employee on it along with the major creditors.I am not sure if by law they have to do this but if any of you are members of UNITE they gave us great help and support .
TheVestedOne Smith - 28 June 2008
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Krzysztof Pekalski - 28 June 2008
Hello to You all kind regards as i can see no one of Poles working in CPD is not aware that this forum is working except me :) anyway i will inform as many as i can and hopefuly they will inform any one they can
If any one of You want The RP1 form i can send it to You by mail
Whats the Phone number for the financial dep. in CPD so we can contact them on monday
good to have that adreses for those thieves :)
Thanks For All The Usefull information and good luck to You All (exluding Gill's)
Mandy Webb - 28 June 2008
Try Kelly as it would appear she is working for the next 3 months. Her direct line is 0207 055 6758 if the phones are still working, alternatively give the Administrators a call, their details are further up on these postings.
rudolpho spena - 28 June 2008
i think ill get my teeth done for free
andy hay - 28 June 2008
Andy Janes why are you on the MGP comments page???????????????????????? on more than 4 occassions(spelt wrong Mre. Gill)
TheVestedOne Smith - 28 June 2008
Who lives in a house like this?.... Mr Rav Gill no less! I'm sure he'd have time to see any one of you for a cuppa and a chat...
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David Gill,s Ear Hair - 28 June 2008
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rudolpho spena - 28 June 2008
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TheVestedOne Smith - 28 June 2008
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Harry Taylor - 28 June 2008
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D anon - 29 June 2008
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Andy Collier - 29 June 2008
Hi D anon
Good point
Andy Collier - 29 June 2008
As well as all the insurance claims already mentioned on here what about those compensation claims to the LDA. [edited because of breach of forum policy]
D anon - 29 June 2008
Bonsoir Monsieur Collier, apologies for not calling this morning, but will definately call soon to discuss all the very useful info and how we should all proceed as a collective.
Andy Collier - 29 June 2008
D
We are the nightwatchmen of the site. And you have been up since 6. Do you ever sleep?
D anon - 29 June 2008
Andy in these troubled times it's very difficult to sleep... wife has gone out with her sister to avoid my angry outbursts so i'm on me own and thought I would catch up with today's postings. How you getting on with job hunting? I have had a couple of Agencies contact me and will be getting back to them on Monday. Got to update the 'old cv'. I have also been contacted by an old colleague who has said that the company he works for is expanding and are looking for staff and we have arranged a meeting to discuss positions availabe. So will be in touch either through this site or mobile because they must have positions to suit any of our colleagues if not us.
Woggle One - 29 June 2008
Hi all
Pleased to say that some unscrupulous contacts have the Ilford area on their calling list. Hopefully we can find a suitable site to post any piccies!
Ziggy played guitar
rudolpho spena - 29 June 2008
any jobs at augustus
D anon - 29 June 2008
Rudy, many have tried and are now being told to contact personnel dept and leave details. Good luck
Colin Thompson - 29 June 2008
Another print company bites the dust with a cloud over the Directors management skills and how to transfer money to other places over the years!
This BPIF company are one of many that will not be around within the next twelve months!
Colin Thompson
Cavendish
www.cavendish-mr.org.uk
TheVestedOne Smith - 29 June 2008
Woggle One... all pics gratefully received on this site...
http://capitalprint.proboards83.com
A redundant employee !!!! - 29 June 2008
Jane Jones
Its good to talk - not sure I remember the better man you are talking about. I dont think the Gills will be too bother about the condition of the soil - they will get the pikies how done the carpark last time to drop an inch of top soil on it and make it look lovely!
Will hopefully be talking to you soon!!!!
David Gill,s Ear Hair - 29 June 2008
A thread was removed on http://capitalprint.proboards83.com for breaking t&c's regarding personell information (ravs address). Unfortunatly the thread contained 51 posts and was the only thread. In future start new threads after one gets several replys. Im assuming that PW has had the same complaint so many posts on here may vanish tommrrow.
john marriott - 29 June 2008
hi to all my work mates at cpd,to all of you who i never said goodby to i hope good fortune comes your way,everyone beleave the move to beckton would be the start of many goods years ahead my god how wrong could have we been, the people i will miss most the guys in the screen dept maybe because i was a screener my self,but from the staff who work in the offices to all the other dept it has been a real plesure working with all,but i must say there are a good few people i wouldnt piss on if they where on fire ithink you all know who they are. To the people who have my number please keep in touch.never been out of work in 38 years ive truely been well f..k.
Clive Upshall - 29 June 2008
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David Gill,s Ear Hair - 29 June 2008
Very very interesting thread started by printcoboss on http://capitalprint.proboards83.com.
Sounds very positive!! Get on there guys and leave him your thoughts.
steven fisher - 30 June 2008
Andy Hay how can you leave bad messages about bunyard and gill, as you had a print company which went down and knocked every man and his dog.
andy hay - 30 June 2008
Quite simply I put the staff and small suppliers first and tried to do the best deal for all concerned,when I was introduced to the Bunyard brothers their books and figures and everything was fine and as they say the rest is history......................I went to the wall personally over them.
Be brave Mr. Fisher ID yourself
Matt Whipp - 30 June 2008
Some comments have had to be removed from this thread.
Please be aware that where we are alerted to breaches of forum policy, we will act.
If you have any information that you believe would help further investigation into this event, please send them to editorial.printweek@haymarket.com
andy hay - 30 June 2008
also please tell me when in my comments did I leave a bad message about Mr. Gill??????????????? And as for Bunyard unless the libel laws of this country it is not an offence to write about somebody if it is true please reply on this message board or send a message to my colleague Peter Smith printinvestigation@hotmail.co.uk
steven fisher - 30 June 2008
So you did knock staff and creditors, so your no better than bunyard and gill
Print Week Reader - 30 June 2008
Thanks for the link Ear Hairrudolpho spena - 30 June 2008
so spain beat germany last night
steven fisher - 30 June 2008
andy hay, peter smith what a joke
andy hay - 30 June 2008
why a joke Fisher?
steven fisher - 30 June 2008
get a life and leave bunyard alone or !!!!!!!!!! get a real job
andy hay - 30 June 2008
This is from a man who along side Andy Janes slagged off Bunyard on the MGP message board.A smokescreen to cover up this situation.[edited]
Andy Collier - 30 June 2008
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Brenden Dyke - 30 June 2008
I don't know if this is any help but Vinalith in Orpington are looking for some inside/outside sales people and admin staff.
Paul Keyton - 01 July 2008
I am working for the Administrators of Capital Print and Display Limited. I would welcome receiving any information which may help the Administrators to trace and secure any assets rightfully belonging to the company, which can be used to meet its financial obligations.
If you have any information which you believe may be useful I would be grateful if you could send it to me, in the first instance by email.
Email address: paul.keyton@btg-intelligence.com
Any information provided will be treated in the strictest confidence.
D anon - 01 July 2008
Paul Keyton,
what like our missing wages !
ex Employee - 01 July 2008
Good news on the wages......
Andy Collier - 01 July 2008
We shall see eh? After all the other rubbish we have been asked to swallow lately its difficult not remain sceptical
rudolpho spena - 01 July 2008
so do we need to phone cpd?about this form
ex Employee - 01 July 2008
no they will write to us.
Andy Collier - 02 July 2008
Has anyone received their letter yet?
D anon - 02 July 2008
Post just been delivered ........... nothing from Administrators !!!
Andy Collier - 02 July 2008
Been hearing the same thing since Friday "letters being sent out today".
What was all the optimism about from people posting on here yesterday?
Am getting ****** off with this.
julian marks - 02 July 2008
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rudolpho spena - 03 July 2008
received my letter today,was down delta today
ex Employee - 05 July 2008
Come Begbies help us get our money sooner
D anon - 06 July 2008
Have heard that the IP will not process any of the RP1 froms untill ALL have been received back by them ? Some people still haven't received their forms so this leaves us further up the creek. Can somebody please clarify this.
ex Employee - 07 July 2008
no, its 6 weeks now before we get our money !!!
rudolpho spena - 08 July 2008
wot about if capital get bought by the americans
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